New hidden camera video from Project Veritas shows Dallas Urban League employees deliberately instructing someone to lie when signing up for Obamacare.
The young man who shot the undercover video is a college student from the North Texas area.
You could call Lawrence Jones the average college student. But instead of delivering pizza or waiting tables, he's been going undercover to prove fraud in the Affordable Care Act system.
On Wednesday, he talked with Shaun Rabb from our sister station in Dallas.
"It would be a lie for me to say that I didn't receive funds for being a part of this project. It almost had...became my job, I was doing this for a while," Jones said.
But he didn't just do it for a few bucks on the side. Jones is passionate about politics.
"This is a greater issue. There are people that need this system that need healthcare but they're getting ripped off," he said.
With a hidden camera, Jones walked into two Dallas-area Urban League offices and captured candid moments like a worker telling him to lie about his smoking habits to get lower premiums.
"There wasn't 'I gotcha' questions or anything like that. It was what the average American was gonna go there and ask, you know, 'What can I put as my income?" said Jones.
The employees told him they hadn't completed their Navigator training just yet.
"And they told me that! They told me that they didn't but you shouldn't be giving me any type of advice if you haven't received the proper training. You have access to my personal information, my Social Security number, my house number, my address...all the things that...you basically can take me out," he said.
Jones says he suspected there was fraud in the system before he even took on the project and he feels the reality of the matter is pretty obvious.
"It's not one of those 'Are you gonna have to guess is that really fraud?' It's plain and simple. As the lady said on the video, 'Lie!'" Jones said.
Jones says his phone has been ringing and social media has erupted as well with support from the right and attacks from the left.
"I'm not too much worried about that. I'm just worried about my family. Look, I know what I signed up for. I knew that there was gonna be attacks against me when I decided to reveal the truth. The people that are always revealing the truth, they're always the people that get attacked," he said.
Jones urged us this wasn't about media attention. He says he really didn't even want his identity revealed in the first place but apparently people started recognizing his distinctive Texas drawl.